Welcome! Please Log In
Go
Essentials Popular Topics
My Favorite Forums Join Discuss to setup a list of your favorite forums.
tell me i'm not the only one . . . .
cliff 10-06-2008, 2:24 PM | Post #2572306 |  29 Replies
0  

Purchases today:

Diageo (DEO) - price $59.51, dividend $3.11

NRO - price $5.28, dividend $1.84

Provident (PVX) - price $6.74, dividend $1.35

Eagle Bulk Shipping (EGLE) - price $9.70, dividend $2.00

 

Booze, real estate, oil and water transport.

Who else has been clicking the 'buy' button?  Tell me I'm not alone.

Regards.

Cliff

 

Page 1 of 2 | 1 2 Next >
Re: tell me i'm not the only one . . . .
Mr. Purrington 10-06-2008, 2:27 PM | Post #2572310
2  

Catching falling knives can be dangerous to your health. :)

Mr. P.

Re: tell me i'm not the only one . . . .
justin 10-06-2008, 2:31 PM | Post #2572317
0  

Tiptoeing into GE and added some to my current position.  GE with over 6% yield was just too tempting.

Justin

Re: tell me i'm not the only one . . . .
cliff 10-06-2008, 2:49 PM | Post #2572326
0  
Mr. Purrington:

Catching falling knives can be dangerous to your health. :)

Mr. P.

It's precisely the "falling" that provides the opportunity for those that value cash flows.  These are all companies I already hold, three of them for quite a while, so I know a bit about them.

My blended yield on today's purchases is 15.2% on my total purchase price.  In the unlikely event the total dividends were cut in half, my yield on cost would still be 7.6%.

I can live with that . . . . . even if the market values these companies at less than my buy price at some time in the future.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.  ; )

Regards.

Cliff

Re: tell me i'm not the only one . . . .
statsguy 10-06-2008, 3:16 PM | Post #2572345
0  

I am with you Cliff.... but I have no money.  I just look around and say why did I buy earlier this year when things were cheap.

If I had cash, I would buy EPD, GE, KMR/KMP, MME, PFE, EEQ... to name just a few. But I don't.  I have enough cash to buy about half a position  :-( 

Stats

Re: tell me i'm not the only one . . . .
tar42 10-06-2008, 3:32 PM | Post #2572359
0  
I see where BAC just announced a dividend cut. No surprise that they did. GE's dividend probably much safer, but I bought the preferred(GER) instead.
Re: tell me i'm not the only one . . . .
tar42 10-06-2008, 3:37 PM | Post #2572368
0  
I do hold both the common stock of GE as well as the preferred, but the safety is in the preferred and is the bigger holding.
Re: tell me i'm not the only one . . . .
ElLobo 10-06-2008, 5:03 PM | Post #2572431
0  

I, too, have little cash for purchases these days.  All cash generated in my Roth goes towards taxes for my conversions I do each year.  All cash generated within my tax deferred accounts gets reinvested, so I'm adding to my VWEHX holding each month.

I'm trying to talk myself into doing something extremely foolish.  Cliff, please talk me out of it.

I have a home equity line of credit that is now a bit larger then my portfolio.  I don't think the market has bottomed out yet.  I think it will take a year or two at least.

Anyhow, once I see it turn the corner, I'm toying with putting the whole HELOC into my high yield portfolio.  The game will be the interest rate on the HELOC compared with the overall yield I receive.  At a great enough spread, the yield I receive could cover principal and interest payments.

Re: tell me i'm not the only one . . . .
sotaboy 10-06-2008, 6:30 PM | Post #2572508
0  

El Lobo, now that would take some BIG ONES!!!

But my question is for tar, regarding preferreds, which I know little about.  I understand that  the prospect for appreciation is not big, maybe with GER  about 20 -25%  But how safe are the dividends? I know they pay GER first, before GE, but if all things go to hell, do they cut the GER dividend too?  Or are there other share classes that are in line first?  At the current price, yielding 7%, it's very appealing, but i really don't know enough about preferred stock.

Thanks, John 

Re: tell me i'm not the only one . . . .
knobby62 10-06-2008, 7:21 PM | Post #2572534
0  

I've lost 13.4% since the beginning of the year. Currently have about 11% in cash after selling prhyx and vwehx on Friday with a loss of 15% in each. Bought a utility today and I think I'm holding where I am for the near future. Nobody seems to have a feel for where this is going.  Just hope we're running out of funds that are being forced to sell because people are bailing. Maybe those that didn't sell when the market tanked in the middle of the day aren't going to and things will settle down. At least I had one in the green today, mwtrx. And fimix stayed neutral.

Knobby

Re: tell me i'm not the only one . . . .
cgaros 10-06-2008, 8:24 PM | Post #2572579
2  

I'm here to tell you about GE.  First of all, there is no such thing as publicly-traded GE preferred stock - Berkshire Hathaway owns the only such stock currently issued, at 10% yield, and GE had to give Buffett a bunch of warrants (stock price upside) in order to get him to buy it. 

The other GE tickers that you're talking (GEA, GEP, GER, etc.) about are for baby bonds, which are senior unsecured debt in GE Capital Corporation.  Fortunately for you, that's better than preferred stock, although I would recommend more caution about buying assets that you can't accurately categorize.  They have a par value of $25, which means that they're just like a regular bond except 1/50 of the size (and therefore easier for individual investors to buy).  For a small investor, they are almost certainly a better idea than buying full-size GE Capital bonds, because your transaction costs will be much lower and you have more choice about the size of your investment.  They also are ahead of the common and preferred stock in the event of a default, but they're part of a huge pool of senior unsecured debt that I believe all stands on an equal level in terms of repayment - that is, not paying the interest would be equivalent to default on a regular GE Capital bond, which would be a Big Deal.

It's hard to find much precise information about the corporate structure of GE, but given some the cheapo asset sales away from Lehman Bros Holding Co and the WB-Citi deal that almost happened, I'd be a little scared that in the event of further financial market degeneration GE might somehow cut GE Capital loose of the industrial company.  It says in the annual report that GE's industrial wing will provide capital to GE Capital if necessary, but it doesn't give a lot of detail about how much/when/what if they don't?  If GE's industrial operations really back up their financial operations 100%, why are there two separate corporations and why is almost all the debt labelled as GE Capital debt? 

Given all the opportunities in stocks that could double over the next few years if the economy doesn't totally collapse, all the fears about defaults by major companies, and the lingering possibility that our government will find a way to inflate out of asset price declines, why would you take on financial debt yielding 7%?  I know that GE feels safe to a lot of people, but doesn't the massive fall in companies as well-respected as LEH and AIG make you a little worried about a company carrying $500 billion in debt to support an asset pool of all sorts of loans you don't know much about?       

Re: tell me i'm not the only one . . . .
mobones 10-06-2008, 8:29 PM | Post #2572581
0